This week on the Art Is Hard Podcast, Kiel sits down with his friends Roger Calamaio and Jay Paz who play in the Arizona powerviolence outfit Burnout. It's a great episode that paints a colorful picture of what band life is really like. They talk about how the band was started by Jay and Emmett Thatcher as a studio project, how Roger ultimately ended up fronting the band, and how they write given their extensive history of being in bands together. Plus this one has a lot of good tour stories and much more! Check it out!